How to be Condescending in Analogies.

I think the technique of using "factual statements" is a great technique to be condescending by offering analogies of what people say...

I see part of that 77% as being extreme isolationists that would rather let millions of Negroes die rather than loose 1 American life. And whether it is establishing more secure bonds with African Nations or allowing DDT; every Geopolitical/Geostrategic idea boils down to USA Do/USA Say.

It matters little to these people whether China is the biggest explorer of oil in Africa or that most of the PSAs will probably go to other nations. It matters little whether China is propping up Socialist Dictators as long as there is no US involvement. It matters little to them if China is raping the resources of the world as an r-selected species as long as we have to live below the K level of growth.

Might I say that some of these people are navel (maybe naval also) gazing to the extreme.

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Part II-You meet all Kinds on the Internet

I just want to thank each and EVERY person for the wonderful time I have had at Thom's Forum. I have learned so much and now have a better understanding of the world and the USA. I am also know more about what areas I would like to learn more about.

So I must say it was a priviledge to be a member of such a diverse group of individuals. And while I am sure that I could have handled myself better there appears to be plenty of blame to go around. Before many of the old posts were wiped out, the board had a different flavour to it, and just like any living thing it must change and adapt to a new environment. This does not mean a left/right divide only that patterns of communication or understanding evolve over time.

Will the internet be a free like the wild west where we all hide behind personalities that are not neccessarily are our own. I recently was able to read some older material from back in the early part of 2006. And someone (Sunrise Part Two) asked me whether I could tell them the same stuff I said on the internet to them in the face. I think I misinterpreted to mean that we should meet. Of course I would still love to meet Miles in person. But back to the question, yes. When I first decided to come to the internet and blog and express my feelings, I choose to state clearly who I was and what I stood for. Whether some were unable to see that, to that I would say sorry.

So thank you all for visiting me and me being able to visit with you. I still hope that we can all meet in cyberspace or as Klaus would say ecapsrebyc.

Man is ren one messed up Individual!

I am not going to collaborate all quotes to confirm all what he said but rens views are out there. Slab:

I could ask the same of you regarding karma points. It's universal love, ren.

This is sort of in the middle of a discussion about Karma points at Thom's forum for participants. Then rens response to that (my responses in bold):

Honestly, I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to see those karma points climbing every day.
Yes, shocked enough to instigate the accumulation between him and Kate to conspire to raise it above others. He explained that it was so that new people would not be distracted to think certain people were the experts when they were not. So naturally he had to set up himself and Kate as the "experts".
I sent an email to Ericka suggesting she disable the damn thing, it's utterly ridiculous. It's intended meaning has already been tampered with, obviously.
Yes, tampered with the second ren and Kate got registered. What a moron.
Now let me offer you a little friendly advice.

Oh boy. You know what that means. Condescending attitude toward conservatives.

This is the fourth or fifth of your posts in a row focusing on me. Just notice that when you are trying to get into someone's else's head, you open the door to your own. Everything you do is reflective of something in your own mind. That's just a fact. So you open the door to your own mind when you try to get into someone else's. Empathic people have an advantage with that.

Hell, can't he just get over himself? Ren spends so much on other people's business but does not like when someone actually looks at his business. You would think he could someday follow his own advice. Oh, that's right an authoritarian that grew up with authoritarian parents "has to" behave and act that way in public. Well he has opened himself up for people to see in his mind also. All that talk about his mother and father.

Are you empathic? Somehow I doubt it. Shocking people is not a normal empath's characteristic.
LMAO! He is the one to judge. He was raised in a spaced out mother on drugs and has not a single brain cell of empathy and then accuses others of no empathy. What a jerk. Yes and let millions die from terrorism is empathy of others. Or living under totalitarian dictators is showing empathy toward others. Empathy is for only certain victims.
What gives me an advantage is I don't care much about what's in your mind, so I don't go after what's in it. Come at me all you want and you'll just hand me the map to yours. But you won't have my map. At that point it's like tai chi. I'll know all your moves. I don't really want to know, that's a fact. But I won't repress what I see.

And why all the psychoanalysis of conservatives? We have the map already and it is one messed up pile of cat xxxx.

Since you seem to have some fascination about this and you brought it up, I spent two years teaching Ronald the basics of mutual respect. He never seemed to grasp them.
I have more respect for others that ren can even grasp. But if he wants to live by a respect code, then he needs to show it. So far and even two years ago he has never shown any respect to me or any conservative except maybe Sawdust. Of course his idea of "teaching" is showing disrespect? He truly is a master of the Dale Carnegie classes. LOL.
I sincerely hope you already know about mutual respect. Mutual respect does not mean two people have to like each other. At the very, very basic level, if someone does not want to share, that is the border one doesn't intentionally cross. I realize abstract lines are difficult for some to "see" but I am hoping you have better "eyesight" than others around here have had.
More of his one way "respect". He wanted me to respect him with nothing in return. Hell I respect ren for a lot of things but being empathetic towards others or even trying to understand other points of view is not it.
I've lost interest in this type of personal exchange. This is not the topic I'm interested in. I hope you can appreciate that. This will be the only time I bring this up.
Again his bored (I'm so bored with you.) speech. You would think that he would understand that bringing up an issue and then showing disrespect and then saying "I'm bored with you!" is the epitome of disrespect.
This is an anarchic environment, for the most part, and I'm fully aware that whatever you do is up to you. That's where mutual respect comes in.
For ren that may be the case, but for others this type of post along with thousands of others shows his disrespect of others. Hell he even called other conservatives "it" like something below a living being. I guess that is what happens when a person is raised in one messed up family-they produce messed up individuals.

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So it's going to be amateur hour with the twelve year olds, then. That's too bad, Slab. I actually had some respect for you.

Yeah, that shows a lot of respect. Anyway I will buy that along with a bridge.

Slab, if you ever read this, believe me he has no respect for you or me or Loganthor or any conservative with a brain.

I take it you're a fascist then?|An answer to ren...

In their minds, human beings dying are no more than bots in a Middle East strategy computer game.

Yes that sounds pretty much like taking sides.
But what if:

In their minds (Hezbollah), human beings dying are no more than bots in a Jews (Astroids) strategy computer game.

Hezbollah fires the rockets and missiles and then run and turn on the TV. If one of the hundred of rockets hits something then they get to see the carnage.
"Allahu Akbar...Allahu Akbar...Allahu Akbar!"

Ren's lack of ability to see his own actions.

Above is the most recent link to how Ren attacks people that he perceives as conservatives and especially on people new to the forum. Pedro's second post to Thom Hartmann's Board:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pedro:
Those numbers, if indeed accurate, are tragic and staggering. I have a bit of an issue with the fact that no distinction seems to be made between those killed by sectarian violence and so forth and those inadvertently killed by our military, but one aspect of the article sticks out to me.

The estimate given pre-invasion is 5.5 per 1000, but according to these numbers the global average currently is a little over 8.5 and the average in Iraq is around 5.3.

Something doesn't add up, and I guess it all depends on a person's perspective and what they want to believe.[/QUOTE]

And now how Ren responded without even an introduction or explanation as to what he is talking about:

Let's see, you invade a country, but beforehand, your cultural experts -- those in academia who make a life's work of understanding other cultures around the world, yes those experts, tell you all hell is going to break loose once you depose the government if you don't prepare for the multitude of tribal and religious sectarian "differences" that are held in check by an authoritarian government; you ignore them, in fact you basically spit on them, after all they are from academia and are by default liberals.

Some of your top military experts tell you that taking the government down will be the easy part, what comes next is going to need a lot of soldier power and extensive police level organization. So you can't have that, since your Secretary of Defense is pushing for a whole new Project for a New American Century military force to handle the upcoming geopolitical strategies for a new world order. So naturally you force those people out of their positions into early retirement.

Then, oh my gosh, here we are four years into this adventure, longer than the U.S. was in Europe during WWII and you find out, guess what?, they were right. And now you don't want to take any responsibility for the results of the sectarian violence? Are you sure you are a Democrat?

As far as those statistics. We now have an increasingly insular Unitary Executive Branch. It outspokenly admits it doesn't do a body counts of civilian deaths in Iraq. I'd have to question anything the now emasculated CIA posts as statistics -- esecially in Iraq.

So first Ren starts out with addressing Pedro as 'you' and places him in a position that he can not even respond since he is not a decision maker or someone in power.
And then proceeds to dump all his conspiracy theories on someone that has not had a chance to see where he is coming from. The concepts he expects a new person to respond to is: Authortarianism, Ren's admiration with meritocracy, teachings of PNAC, and the UET theories. This dialogue is obviously distracting to the thread and is violation of rule #2:

Altering Quotations: Do not alter the wording or make it appear as though another member had said something which they did not. Rules

He then goes on to question what a total stranger says is true:

Are you sure you are a Democrat?

And the use of statements with question marks to imply what the person’s position is:

Then, oh my gosh, here we are four years into this adventure, longer than the U.S. was in Europe during WWII and you find out, guess what?, they were right. And now you don't want to take any responsibility for the results of the sectarian violence?

And questioning a new persons ability:

Pedro, from East LA, and he already knows how to imbed url's in sentences in his second post. Not bad. And I like that little deceptive "Those numbers, if indeed accurate, are tragic and staggering." I knew another guy who started out his posts that way. He's been banned though.

Which he uses to imply that the new person is someone that was banned. And he does not even say who he thought it was, even after being asked directly.

And Pedro from East LA claims to be a Democrat.

Who watches Olbermann and O'Reilly "quite a bit"... "mainly to see how both cover the same stories."

And who has a bit of an issue...

The above was first to question his identity that he has willingly shared with other members, and then questions how someone can watch from news from a variety of sources and then tries to leave doubt about a members statements.

Once again, I don't have a clue to what you are trying to say. Would you like a link to a site that can give you some insight into malignant self love, narcissistic personality disorder, or some such? Might be helpful. Can't think of anything else at the moment. Ren: Posted 20 June 2006 16:45

This is a real good example of Ren trying to psychoanalyze me.
The attacking and stalking started on that thread here.

I know GG you want to change the subject. But the Republican hypocrites are a having melt down now and we want to watch. If you read this thread you will see the Bill, King and Ren had a discussion about the sociological meaning of this phenomena of child and women exploitation. "Driveby posts" like yours are meant to waste our time. Ron Rutherford did this all the time and I see the same pattern imitated here.

Bill, notice that same drop-in, driveby, diversion pattern as in Ren's thread "Lebanon/Israeli ceasefire and recovery"? Has GG decided to adopt Rutherford's tactic and pick up where he left off? I think Kate intutitively detected the Rutherford tactic first and left. Posted 01 October 2006 09:13

So he has to use my name three times to make a point or what? I never showed any anger toward Anti and I even offered to help him develope a theory and how to do some hypothesis testing on it. Can anyone say ad hom?

Ren at his finest hour...

ren:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sue N:

Is that anything like what you told your wife after you beat the crap out of her and she went to the cops and had you arrested? Or is it that you are addicted to S&M and are disappointed that you'll be losing some victims now?

Ren,

That sort of comment does not help. :([/QUOTE]

Sorry, I'll get rid of it. Just trying to dramatise the extremes I thought were implied.

Yes, violence is a constant theme in ren's mind. And for something completely different:

Supporters of Hezbollah

George Galloway: Hizbollah is right to fight Zionist terror
London's pro-fascist rally

1.Stormfront
2.Revolutionary Left

Brilliant! from Sunrise Part Two...

"Liberal Words" from Sunrise:

the punch line is, is Ronald too stupid to notice!

Know whatahmean. saynomore, saynomore, saynomore, [Wink] [Wink] .


You and Gnarly are just such convincing bigots and racists.

Update from comments:
seems like someone got you, didn't they, ASSHOLE?

re: All my friends are former Republicans but I can not get along with any conservatives.

Ren: Just a side note on Obama, a friend of mine just died on the day of the Winter solstice, his father was a Republican senator here in the state of Washington years ago. He himself voted Republican all his life. He was planning to vote for Obama. And if you knew him, you'd know that's something. His reasoning was the guy seemed "genuine" when he watched him.

Strange how ren has so many friends that somehow change from being a Republican when he shows so little RESPECT for others with conservatives points of view. Makes us have to wonder about what his "truths" in life are.

I also have to wonder how a fathers political affiliation means anything about the sons. I have a relative that was so fed up with the Democrats recently that she decided to register as Independent. Anecdotal stories would never be accepted for proof from ren, wonder how he can step in his own shit and not recognize it.

Anyway that technique for determining a candidate is about as good as he seems like a person I could have a beer with. I am sure ren would question the logic of that if one of his friends used it to describe a conservative candidate.

But, I still love that ren lives in his own world...