Ron (I) am still banned and they want me to wait until January.

But in the mean time if any of our friends are still around...
We have started another board at:
Drumroll please...
http://rdrutherford.proboards85.com/index.cgi
I know, I know. I have no originality in naming things.
My boss always comes up with names for web sites. That's it blame it on my boss.
LMFAO.

Admins get into the Psyops area-just ask. Again more of a play on words. Malapropism or some such shit.

A couple of emails from my "Friends"

Ron,

If Thom sends you an email asking you to wait until January for reinstatement, then do so without a peep, other than a thankyou, of course. I am probably betraying sysop trust by telling you this, but after all the effort you have invested so far I would hate to see you blow it.

Good luck

Bill

Ron,

Let's revisit this in January. That should give everything enough time
to cool down.

Thom

WTF. Revist something 3 months from now.


And lastly all the loosers from Thom's have moved to:
http://nostomania.proboards66.com/index.cgi
It's fun to watch "Liberals" in their natural habitat.
But be careful like Steve Irwin learned. LOL.

Ren...

On another note about cross fertilization, I left behind on the Hartmann Board some discussions I'd developed -- and I want to include Kate here, because we communicated off board and coordinated our efforts in some instances -- with the idea of putting together a broader global view of what might be called the "dominant world paradigm" (and a little cross fertilzation here, what Chris has recently called on another thread: The White Man's view). I began to do that consciously last January with the Unitary Executive Theory thread. My vision with that was to explore through dialog how a major legal transformation of the executive branch was related to building a stronger more unified and insular presidency that could have greater control over the government bureaucracies thus contribuiting to the unilateral principles we have seen exagerated (though certainly not initiated) by the Bush Administration. The current Middle East nightmare being one.

That project really got off well, a lot of people kicked in, and then it got plagued with the focus of Ruther-ford and Oganthor. Kate did a lot to distract them, including starting three more threads, and we as a team did manage to get the gist of it developed. In regards to cross fertilization, I am talking in this instance about bringing a cross fertilzation of those things left behind at Hartmann's to this board as the need arises. So not just cross thread ferilization but cross board fertilization, because we have all left stuff behind.

For the big picture view of Chris's "White Man's View" I'd like to use concepts involving geopolitics and geostrategy. If anyone is not familiar with the terms, a good essay that introduces them and how they relate to the current world chessboard is this essay by Heinberg:

The US and Eurasia: End Game for the Industrial Era?

http://www.richardheinberg.com/museletter/132



So I just want to raise a little consciousness about that issue and see where it might go.

Ren: My path is an affirmation to the mystery

Re: My nomination for man of the year
« Reply #39 on Today at 5:40pm »
"My path is an affirmation to the mystery...May it continue"

Amen to that Chris.


I mark the date of my departure from the "White Man's" culture at October 5, 1967. I made a major paradigm shifting decision through action on that date.

Letter from Bill

Hi Ron,

I don't need you to give me explainations on anything, just assurance that you understand why you were banned and that you wont continue that type of behavior. If you don't understand why you got banned or dont feel you should change how you behave at the forums then there is no sense in me going to bat for you. It all boils down to knowing how to attack the idea and not the person. The truth is, you can attack the person better by attacking the idea, if you do it right and never risk getting banned. I used to do it quite a bit, but it takes a lot more thought than just calling someone an asshole or a retard. I too have been guilty of attacking the person, so has virtually everyone at the boards, but you probably did it more and more effectively than the rest, so people complained. Now that you have been banned, if you get reinstated you will be under the microscope, especially by those you got you banned in the first place. You will have to be on your best behavior while they will probably try to goad you into a flame war. Knowing this ahead of time gives you the advantage and you can choose not to play their game. If they continue to harrass you you can report them. Hopefully it wont get to that.

Anyway Thom is away from the boards for a while so I'm not sure when this will get resolved but I figure within a week.

All the best.

Bill

Possible links for use about Ren.

Unitary Executive Theory
http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951?r=1081011061#1081011061

Your question does point out some interesting aspects of the neocon's current Ghenghis Khan strategy for controlling the government, and thus a structural problem in our government worth examining.

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951/p/3
Not a smoking gun but you can see that he is trying to say that you are an embodiment of Ghangis Khan and a neocon by your type of question.

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951?r=7441084061#7441084061
Part of Ren's psychol babble.

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951?r=5691067061#5691067061

I don't think you know the difference between your ASSumption and your OpiION. A tautological imperative is not a logical answer to a problem, it is the recourse of a dictator and a bully. I offered you a logical problem, you returned with a simple, unexplained proclamation. That's a tautology at that point, nothing more, and nothing anyone need take seriously.
...

“Loganthor has recently introduced what amounts to a problem that one might call "expansio ad absurdum" where he took a simple concept and expanded it into a "monsters under the bed syndrome" that might occur with toddlers in a nursery school, not with adults who want to have a reasonable discussion about issues without some of the extremes that go with it; the result was what you called "amateur dramatics" with the other voices chiming in (or piling on) as well, like Rutherford and his faux apology comment to Andger.”

You have to give a man credit when he can not see his own shit...
I at least did apologize, I have yet to see any apology from ren for all his malicious attacks on others. He truly lives in his own world...

Who is Hank Worstenpens?

Hank Worstenpens.
I must have missed something but he is going around asking for everyone (select persons) to email him,
at "wobbe.kuiper [at] planet [dot] nl".

I got bitch slapped by ric. Spam???

‘Cognitive Dissonance’:

PLEASE DO NOT SPAM ME AGAIN

Last night you sent a spam email to me. Let me make my desires very clear to you, and to the Administrators of these boards: I do not want you, or any created ‘persona’ of you (former or future), to ever contact me, and I wish for you to never address me on these boards.

Kate, LOL.

Thom,

I think at the end of the day it will be you, Sue, and Cognitive Dissonance in your forums, plus some new people who may create a new and wonderful place. I'm not sure whether the old timers will drift back, except out of force of habit.

The people who are quiet now have earnestly engaged in many conversations over a period of years, making your board a uniquely aware, yet heartful, place to discuss the issues of the day.

I'm afraid the administrative response to the very subtle and creeping cancer that infected your forum was too much and too late.

Kate

Shit is she stupid or just don't read. The quote earlier on that thread was actually something close to what I have already stated on several occasions. Maybe she is just being cool.
Maybe it is easier to have a fake ID as I thought. LOL.

Chris's wise but foolish words...

Originally posted by Chris De Getmon:

Jason, Don, Mark, Kate, Howard, et al, from the older group. This is directed at all of you. It appears that the Powers that Be on this Board are engaging in the worst type of deception I can think of. Usha has had her Moderator status revoked and as far as I know has been banned as well. Usha, Wobbe, and Andger are forming a collective to launch another Message Board where all diversity will truly be welcomed, affirmed, and honored. I’ve offered my support in any way they choose, be it money, or other wise. Anyone is welcome to join us. Hope we can all reunite under the banner of freedom, not oppression.

Yes, the oppressed became the oppressors and it failed big time. LOL.
Also is was funny that Chis went off the reservation at least more than once.

ren "expert"

Here is a site we should check out:
http://www.big-boards.com/kw/politics/

It has 44 political bullettin boards.

Most recently from Ren...

I promised myself I wouldn't look, and so far I've managed to keep my promise. I really don't wish to read another word written by said "expert" in psychology. Dead

Sorry, I never have claimed to be an expert in anything.
What do I know?
Unlike Ren that has to brag about his vast experience and knowledge.

Miles

This just in...

So they banned you, huh?

It's a shame I had to get myself banned to get the point across, but at least I took you with me.

Dear Thom Hartmann:
LMFAO!!!
This looks like Miles. Unfortunately it did not capture his email, I still wish I could talk to him.

Censors

Shit, The censors are out in force:

Ronald,
I kindly ask you to minimise the use of 'copied' posts from other threads.
Also, please refrain from addressing this topic-starter in a manner that could, concealed or otherwise, be labeled as 'harassment' to his and our perception.
Thank you.
u Smiler

From A confluence called peak mayhem?

Sunrise/Ren

Since you found his goat. Why not link some of those fine messages he had for you to the Hateful thread.... get a ruling from the Admins.

This is a suggestion from one of my friends. But I wanted to respond here in case anyone had any other suggestions.

I am not so concerned about showing his transgression as of now. If I did I would probably put it on my own blog. I doubt the admins would do anything about it anyway.
I still plan on visiting some of his issues raised on the Hateful thread. Shamus still acts like a clone of Ren. Most recently attacking simple words and phrases.

I also plan on posting a response to his bold comments post. And I should still be able to talk on "his" threads by responding to his attacks from the perspective of the board member that gets his attacks. Tricky but still doable. Maybe a little Deconstruction could come in handy.

Ren has also opened up an interesting door by stating:

I do not want you to address me again.

Seems like we can go around and state this phrase and thus no one can address me or even talk about the issues that I am concerned about. Sort of like the super shield.

Did anyone notice this:

Dont bother to read the interview below that Ronald has posted, its a hoax.
You idiot, Ronald.

So far I have about 10 times that sunrise has put his foot in his mouth with false statements/articles he parades around. And it is so ironic that he calls me an idiot. I am the one that just reposted his false articles. Yesterday I was doing some research for my More thread and came saw lots of links about how this article was false.

Ren...

Shit, I just saw 'Ren' on-line.
And no not the _Ren current form but Ren.
He may have figured out his password since Don (I believe Sawdust) lost his.