Mel is a Dweeb Again!!!

While I certainly think blowing up the factory seems a bit extreme, its pretty fascinating that what motivates the French worker is salvaging his/her own job and lifestyle, while what seems to motivate the American Tea Partiers is protesting against government interventions which most of them actually utilize (and will benefit from).

Well the French educational system is miles better than the American system, so that may begin to explain the mindset. The media is much better also.

So basically smarter, better informed individuals are more likely to act in ways which benefit them, not someone else.

So better informed people are more selfish and greedy? What an idiot. Only a child would start with a distorted world view and then when it does not conform to it then state it as proof of the theory to start with. This is circular reasoning at its best.

All I can say is oh brother...

Bless you My Idiot Fake Monk.

stonewall eddie, aka Ronald Rutherford, wrote: "Norway is in debt up to its eyeballs (of course thanks to the marxist in the white House and congress the USA is catching up fast)"

Damn, you really are an idiot!!!
Sorry to disappoint you but that is not me. I would not tend to be so adamant about anything, I would just question your ideology. So far you have shown to be the most ideologically driven idiot I have met on the internet aside from the one that thought China was a Democracy.

Ram Jaane lives on...

Hey Warren, intellectual dishonesty again??? Hey?

I figure Reagan was a PR pawn and as a professional actor he was good at reading and acting out a script. By inference one can trace how he was recruited, transformed from a Democrat, and groomed for the part. That he has become regarded as any sort of actual self actuated President, not to mention a "great" one, simply demonstrates the power of the PR industry that Freud's nephew, Eddie Bernays, put together in this nation during the last Century. Goebbels credited Bernays with being one of his inspirations and as being his propaganda role model. I urge anyone not familiar with Eddie Bernays to take the trouble to watch the four art BBC documentary,
http://www.thomhartmann.com/board/./viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3895&sid=9b4285bf03b8641944645f95e6a258da

Strangely you just ignore all his writing that he did including most of his speeches ever given was either by his hand {pen and ink} or was edited to fit his taste. Unlike TOTUS now, Reagan showed that he was a voracious reader as well as writer. You ever go to the Reagan Library? It is close to where I live and I would love to show you around including his hand written speeches.

Ultimately this passage only shows your disdain for his conservative views while ignoring the vast amount of PR that controlled Democrats in office including the worst president in our lifetime at least {Carter}...

Is Kate a complete Idiot?

My husband and I quit celebrating birthdays for each other. We like to consider contemplate and perpetuate that 30-something feel we've got going on.

I've deleted my Thom's place bookmark, but I always find my way back, when CNN tells me to think idiotic thoughts!

lol

Enjoy your time together here, those who remain, brain intact, and willing to engage with another human's thoughts.

Yes, indeed an idiot that can not learn to change the channel to broadcasts that promote "idiotic thoughts"! Let alone the the fact that if someone tells you what to think then you should run away as fast as possible.

The most brain dead stupid poster on Thom's must be Kate, so why is she talking about herself? She has yet to engage in any person that was not a Libtard like herself, I know I tried.

Poly is an idiot and a liar.

Gen wasn't on the Board at the time. And the other right wing economic cheer leaders (including a trained economist) were busily denouncing gold and projecting on-going prosperity. They read growing inventories as confidence in growing consumer demand. I read growing inventories as a lack of consumer demand...sales. They read economic data one way...I read it another. Guess I was right, wasn't I?

Just as the slowing of declining exports from China to the U.S. was read as a turn-around. Nope. Not an up-tick...just a slowing. If the exports reached zero, no further slowing of the decline would be anticipated, would it? A slowing isn't an up-tick. Just a smaller monthly decline. As the percentage of over-all exports decrease, the percentages of the decrease will be less every month. There is less of a beginning data base to decrease from.

Ditto unemployment rates.

Read the data by ideology...and interpretations will be off every time.

Financial markets will do just fine...until the underlying real economy and ideological nonsense can no longer support the ideological bubble. Then CRASH. Financial markets can't operate independently of the real economy forever.... any more than they did in the Panic of 1893 or in the Great Depression. The Bernanke Market, fed by the Fed through the banking/financial industry is just another bubble. Bubbles pop.
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How they missed that we were undergoing domestic deflation and" real economy" slow down at home while the dollar was inflating abroad is totally beyond me. It stuck out like a sore thumb.

Retired Monk
"...is a disease"

Basically lying like normal.
1. First not right wing other than what idiots think.
2. Denounced that gold was a long term investment based on the long term trend in commodities not even keeping up with inflation as even Poly stated else...what an idiot.
3. I did not state that the economy was projected for on-going prosperity. I only questioned the gloom and doomers without them providing a mechanism for these market failures and none would provide the clues. Otherwise I would have researched it more.
4. Don't remember anything about inventories and it is obvious that growing inventories for business is not a good sign. So I would have not stated it was positive.
5. Not even correct only said that at some day it was going down. The same underlying problems according to Poly is still there. Does that mean Poly thinks we are set for another depression?
6. If the idiot Poly had read godknows posts, he said exactly what Poly is stating. He is like a sophist that thinks their thoughts are more important than others. He just wants to argue with conservatives instead of discussing issues.
7. Now he comes up with his theory after the fact. He never once talked about inflation/deflation indicators.

Poly is an Idiot|around post 10,000

Giles wrote: "Who is proclaiming to be christen? Let alone a Fucking so-called Christen.

ASSumption. "
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Then you most definitely should refrain from interjecting interpretations of Christianity into your discussions. It's pretty obvious you haven't a clue what you're talking about when you do that. You come off sounding like an itinerant preacher. Like St. Paul's "clanging of cymbals". Noise signifying nothing.

Basically "shut up". A too often form of censorship by libtards in power-even if it is just mall cop status. Of course Poly never questioned Atheists when they get the scriptures wrong. Makes me wonder if Monk is even a person of faith. He clearly does not show any signs of knowing the scriptures. He also allows Kate to make stupid statements about Christianity without a comment such as this.

Actually, Poly, you have only showed your bias in applying the rules and insulting {ad homs} directed at other members. As editor, you would think you would abide by higher rules.

Poly the parrot idiot is at it again:

poly replies: Nope. It just makes you look foolish proclaiming Christian doctrine that isn't Christian doctrine. Proclaiming Christian Scripture that isn't Christian Scripture. If you want to keep looking foolish, you can do that. Personally, I'd refrain from it.

No, Poly, you are the one that shows no knowledge of Christianity. Even then you have only resorted to ad hominen attacks instead of addressing the issues. Guess that makes you one messed up Mall Cop.

Deep Thoughts by Idiots|Kate 1501

To be very clear.

I am pro-eduction.

I am anti-credentials.

And the parrot Monk responds with:

Applause.

Another Sock Puppet shows Stupidity

Dizlexus wrote:
Well Ron, I didn't know who to believe so I did a review of your postings on economics. And I quote you: ". . . we both identify with "Keynesian" economic theories". And on, and on and on about the free market religion. You sir, owe Monk an apology. You economics are exactly as he described. Your accusation that he is a "liar" is nothing short of scurolous and is a very poor reflection on you and you intelectual honesty.

Perhaps the problem is that you do not recognize "Trickle Down" theory by its other names.

First no mention of what about free market religion regarding the "on and on and on". Then the sock groups all "Keynesians" as being "Trickle Down" which only shows his stupidity in regards to economics. Clearly the sock has no ideas about economics and the various fields of study. If the sock had looked harder he/she might have noticed that I stated I was New-Keynesian Structuralist. That of course is above the intellectual concepts that can not even identify between "trickle down" being a specific model and Keynesian economic theories that addresses a much broader analysis of economics. "Other names" indeed. Pfffft.

Oh well, maybe Thom's needs better socks...

BarefootGen wrote:
Don't worry. Ron has been unpersoned.

LMAO, Thanks!!!

PS: Fucking stupid ass "Monk" owes me an apology 100 times for lying and banning and just fucking around with members. He needs to get a life.

Idiot Ren, part 1005

I can recall bringing up Jane Jacobs even here and getting a knee jerk "Marxist" label immediately attached to her ideas. She's so far from that form of bureaucratic structured thought I can't even begin to imagine what brain deadness brings up that knee jerktion. Maybe it comes from the sense of leveled populist individuality embedded in her ideas of bottom up small business creativity that she envisioned as being the sparks that created the vibrant cities through time since the first we know of so far at Çatalhöyük, Turkey. As I see it, Marx focuses mostly the evolution of the labor side of the recently arisen industrial capitalist coin. He skips right past any effort at understanding the importance of individualism in the mix. No wonder he is often credited with being the formulative basis for modern day social "science."

Actually, I said Marxist/Leninist. Not communist like you first mistakenly said and not Marxist solely. So please pay attention but more importantly it was not even addressed to you. If it was it would have had your name or quote included. As you told me several times, if it does not include either in your post then it is not in reference to you.

Better yet, you can could have addressed the issues I brought up and either confirmed it or explained how it was different. I am sure you know about Marxism/Leninism to explain the similarities and differences with Jane Jacobs through the center/periphery analysis.

Just give it a rest, or answer the responses...
You even go on to explain some differences that do not matter to the issues I even brought up.

His root paradigm ideas don't appear to me to be in any way about innovation and personal freedom to think for oneself. They are about the results of an in place division of labor he and Engels found in what was a pinnacle example of it in their time (in the 1840s), in Manchester England, and how that "idea" they saw as both some sort of example of both the good and the horror of human societal evolution, will some day evolve into a classless communal perfection of some sort. In their own ways they were just as trapped in the patriarchal paradigm of hierachy as Adam Smith and the early thinkers who are credited with the budding attempts to understand principles of individuality in the Age of Enlightenment, which was, if you read their writing, for men, and for the elite thinking men. It took a lot of work from the always disenfranchised groups in these masterful systems, the laborers, the women, the non whites, to bring about any equality and protection of rights for them.

But like usual your experts as in this case Jane Jacobs are more important than what experts I quote and analyze. For example here is a conversation that would make Thom's look like trolls in a circle: Male bias in macro-economics???

Or a complementary conversations at: VLQD: Saving the World's Women

Many of us were going through that same route of deconstruction at just about that same time. Personally, I was fighting against NAFTA, GATT and other world globalizing nation state agreements. I had recently stopped working as a consultant writing strategic plans for businesses so they could become bigger, and more efficient. I was involved in helping to put together the research that would hopefully expose the dangers of international agreements that would overrule the efforts of nation states and areas within nation states to regulate the structural business agreements that involve the devastating effects to environments that businesses try to pass off as an expense the rest of the planet must absorb.

I have yet to see in 4 years any of this work. I have to wonder if it is just your wishful thinking. Of course you studiously ignored the benefits of transformations that even Jane Jacobs would recognize. Your Utopian views are more than likely contradictory.

Penis Report from Thom's Thursday Afternoon Radio Show

No problemo, Mr. Lefty.

First, I suppose I should clarify my "as usual missed all the good stuff" comment. That wasn't referring to Thom's comments on air. That was referring to the fact that I missed all the "skulking" and "stalking." Probably the multiple IPs, too, whatever they are. I seem to just mindlessly gobble up "skulking posts" and "stalking posts" without ever realizing that's what they are, dropping into long, frothy arguments for a few days before someone nice sends me a personal email with a heads up.

It's very reassuring to have friends on the forum. On the other hand, I've never been at a shortage of words. Perhaps it's my calling to just exhaust these types.

As to Thom's comments on air, he made a very short, tasteful account of his wife's handling of the "internet stalker," (his term) leaving no doubt that he:

a. considered this person to be, unequivocably, a "stalker,"

b. entirely supported his wife's efforts to "challenge" him with a surgically designed, oblique psychosexual rebuttal (...to get his goat and permanently disuade him from posting on the forum...)

c. included a frank mention of the "small penis" claim and a very brief, humorous reference with respect to recent postings about penile enlargement apparatuses.



Hope that helps. There's really not much to add. The entire on-air comment was less than 60 seconds. Sorry you missed it. I teach next on Saturday AM, so maybe you can repay the service sometime.



HSA
Penis Report from Thom's Thursday Afternoon Radio Show

Part II-You meet all Kinds on the Internet

I just want to thank each and EVERY person for the wonderful time I have had at Thom's Forum. I have learned so much and now have a better understanding of the world and the USA. I am also know more about what areas I would like to learn more about.

So I must say it was a priviledge to be a member of such a diverse group of individuals. And while I am sure that I could have handled myself better there appears to be plenty of blame to go around. Before many of the old posts were wiped out, the board had a different flavour to it, and just like any living thing it must change and adapt to a new environment. This does not mean a left/right divide only that patterns of communication or understanding evolve over time.

Will the internet be a free like the wild west where we all hide behind personalities that are not neccessarily are our own. I recently was able to read some older material from back in the early part of 2006. And someone (Sunrise Part Two) asked me whether I could tell them the same stuff I said on the internet to them in the face. I think I misinterpreted to mean that we should meet. Of course I would still love to meet Miles in person. But back to the question, yes. When I first decided to come to the internet and blog and express my feelings, I choose to state clearly who I was and what I stood for. Whether some were unable to see that, to that I would say sorry.

So thank you all for visiting me and me being able to visit with you. I still hope that we can all meet in cyberspace or as Klaus would say ecapsrebyc.

Brilliant! from Sunrise Part Two...

"Liberal Words" from Sunrise:

the punch line is, is Ronald too stupid to notice!

Know whatahmean. saynomore, saynomore, saynomore, [Wink] [Wink] .


You and Gnarly are just such convincing bigots and racists.

Update from comments:
seems like someone got you, didn't they, ASSHOLE?

re: All my friends are former Republicans but I can not get along with any conservatives.

Ren: Just a side note on Obama, a friend of mine just died on the day of the Winter solstice, his father was a Republican senator here in the state of Washington years ago. He himself voted Republican all his life. He was planning to vote for Obama. And if you knew him, you'd know that's something. His reasoning was the guy seemed "genuine" when he watched him.

Strange how ren has so many friends that somehow change from being a Republican when he shows so little RESPECT for others with conservatives points of view. Makes us have to wonder about what his "truths" in life are.

I also have to wonder how a fathers political affiliation means anything about the sons. I have a relative that was so fed up with the Democrats recently that she decided to register as Independent. Anecdotal stories would never be accepted for proof from ren, wonder how he can step in his own shit and not recognize it.

Anyway that technique for determining a candidate is about as good as he seems like a person I could have a beer with. I am sure ren would question the logic of that if one of his friends used it to describe a conservative candidate.

But, I still love that ren lives in his own world...

Artjunky is a Dweeb!!!

I have to hand it to Artjunky, he can spew forth such bile that no conservative wants to talk to him much. His dogma I have seen only let up on one occasion. The funny part is that he never sees his shit as anything other than some truth.

I wonder if Saddam Hussein would have tortured his prisoners?

Oh, that's right, HE DID. I forget, where was it that he did this torturing? Oh, thats right, ABU GHRAIB...[Just comparing where peoples limbs were chopped off and that some prisoners were chained up until they just died is the same as a naked pyramid or having bags over the terrorists heads. That is always a good liberal technique of equalizing everything. Torture is torture and thus the US and Saddam are the same.]
And what did the right wing of the Bathist party say? It was probably something along the lines of what the right is telling us today: "We're fighting 'evil-doers' and we must win this battle..." I bet it was something like that. After all, the right loves to battle itself in the hopeless and never-ending wars. And of course the right never realizes that it's battling itself. The right-wingers in Iran, the right-wingers in Iraq, the right-winger hawks in Russia...are all battling each other.[Yes, more equalization between anything that Art feels is the "Right". Basically Art does nothing more than identify what people he dislikes and places them in the same category whether they fit or not. As far as wars without end, we can thank Democrats for such concepts of endless wars. That is war on poverty, war on drugs, war on hunger... I happened to hear someone on CSPAN recently and he talked about that when 'war' was batted around so loosely that he knew that people creating these memes were dealing with a dangerous precedent.]
I think they're just scared little people that hide behind their boarders and military tactics and weapons...oh yes, they are addicted to the fear because it gives them more power and the chance to live out their violent fantasies. Their beloved corporations love it too because fear sells weapons. The right wingers sell war using fear and of course, the corporations are more than happy to distribute their weapons of death. These radicals then tell us that Jesus/Muhammad (insert deity) told them that we need to use these bombs and tactics in order to solve their irrational fear that sold the wars in the first place.[I guess I would rather have fear of a true enemy that states their intentions clearly, than some made up enemy that is part of the USA. Arnold Kling when comparing the debates of Dems and GOPs noted that the Republicans enemies are foreign and the Democrats were domestic enemies. Which is more scary? Maybe he should listen to the Dems also and who their advisers are also. Even though this article is from my favorite nihilists, it does point out some important points for those loonie leftists: Vote for Change? Atrocity-Linked U.S. Officials Advising Democratic, GOP Presidential Frontrunners]
And when those childish and violent tactics stop working, like addicts, they look for more violent and abusive techniques to beat their enemy. They then have to tell us that torture is an American Christian family value of necessity just as the Islamic right tells their followers that suicide bombings is "patriotic." And eventually, as Hitler discovered, you need "FINAL SOLUTIONS" everywhere in order to solve your problems. To paraphrase, if you just kill enough of THEM you can win...

I think Jesus would torture...it's just the sort of thing Jesus would do.

Yes what can I say? Art is a complete moron. After all his supposed knowledge of Christianity, he really has no idea about the teaching of Jesus.

And his Signature Line:

While your prophet rides a mule, mine rides a rocket ship. Shall we race?
JOIN YET? IT'S YOUR WAR - REPUBLICANS - GoArmy.com ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
Common Dreams
Center For American Progress
F.A.I.R. Fairness And Accuracy In Reporting
Skeptics Annotated Bible
Landover Baptist Church

Possible links for use about Ren.

Unitary Executive Theory
http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951?r=1081011061#1081011061

Your question does point out some interesting aspects of the neocon's current Ghenghis Khan strategy for controlling the government, and thus a structural problem in our government worth examining.

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951/p/3
Not a smoking gun but you can see that he is trying to say that you are an embodiment of Ghangis Khan and a neocon by your type of question.

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951?r=7441084061#7441084061
Part of Ren's psychol babble.

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/7381065951?r=5691067061#5691067061

I don't think you know the difference between your ASSumption and your OpiION. A tautological imperative is not a logical answer to a problem, it is the recourse of a dictator and a bully. I offered you a logical problem, you returned with a simple, unexplained proclamation. That's a tautology at that point, nothing more, and nothing anyone need take seriously.
...

“Loganthor has recently introduced what amounts to a problem that one might call "expansio ad absurdum" where he took a simple concept and expanded it into a "monsters under the bed syndrome" that might occur with toddlers in a nursery school, not with adults who want to have a reasonable discussion about issues without some of the extremes that go with it; the result was what you called "amateur dramatics" with the other voices chiming in (or piling on) as well, like Rutherford and his faux apology comment to Andger.”

You have to give a man credit when he can not see his own shit...
I at least did apologize, I have yet to see any apology from ren for all his malicious attacks on others. He truly lives in his own world...

Who is Hank Worstenpens?

Hank Worstenpens.
I must have missed something but he is going around asking for everyone (select persons) to email him,
at "wobbe.kuiper [at] planet [dot] nl".

I got bitch slapped by ric. Spam???

‘Cognitive Dissonance’:

PLEASE DO NOT SPAM ME AGAIN

Last night you sent a spam email to me. Let me make my desires very clear to you, and to the Administrators of these boards: I do not want you, or any created ‘persona’ of you (former or future), to ever contact me, and I wish for you to never address me on these boards.

Chris's wise but foolish words...

Originally posted by Chris De Getmon:

Jason, Don, Mark, Kate, Howard, et al, from the older group. This is directed at all of you. It appears that the Powers that Be on this Board are engaging in the worst type of deception I can think of. Usha has had her Moderator status revoked and as far as I know has been banned as well. Usha, Wobbe, and Andger are forming a collective to launch another Message Board where all diversity will truly be welcomed, affirmed, and honored. I’ve offered my support in any way they choose, be it money, or other wise. Anyone is welcome to join us. Hope we can all reunite under the banner of freedom, not oppression.

Yes, the oppressed became the oppressors and it failed big time. LOL.
Also is was funny that Chis went off the reservation at least more than once.

Censors

Shit, The censors are out in force:

Ronald,
I kindly ask you to minimise the use of 'copied' posts from other threads.
Also, please refrain from addressing this topic-starter in a manner that could, concealed or otherwise, be labeled as 'harassment' to his and our perception.
Thank you.
u Smiler

From A confluence called peak mayhem?

Ohhh, the victims at Thom's Board!

Ohhh, the victims at Thom's Board!

I think we have all seen the latest victimhood thread: Hateful or harrassing messages.
Especially all the talk about winners and losers.
Even Ren has to make some funny remarks:

Attitudes could change, Chris. It's not that different than getting negotiations going in the Middle East. I'm open to a trying for a less hostile environment. If an administrator or moderator takes an authoritarian position on this that excludes them from reciprocal respect with everyone, not recognizing the effect their own behavior can have if they don't, then you are right, it's not likely to work.

Yes to solve the ME problems we just need to have more negotiations.